If there is anyone out there in Canoe world with a remote interest in sailing a boat like the Hollow Log I would like to hear from you.
The boat is presently under a cover in my back yard and with the present international rule change impass my interest in sailing it or developing it further has passed below zero.
It will only deteriorate in condition where it is now, so hopefully someone else can offer it some care and attention.
It is a fantastic boat to sail and if you are near Sydney and want a fun boat to sail by yourself or in some sort of mixed fleet it should provide a lot of fun.I would even be prepared to part with the hull only as a minimum but its probably better to take the seat, carriage and rudder at least. The rig, fin and trolley I might be able to reuse one day on something else.
So if there is really anyone out there with some interest please contact me, have a viewing and make an offer.
phil at moth dot asn dot au will find me.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Monday, March 17, 2008
The Development Canoe decision drags on.
The International Canoe membership has now voted on the adoption of the development rule with Aust, UK, US, Canada, NZ and Poland strongly in favour, Germany 50/50 and Sweden against. The vote was about 75 -78% depending on whether it is tallied by popular numbers, countries, or via the association's quota system. It needed only 60% I think.
But before implimentation it requires also a 100% vote form the Association's Sailing Committee, then submission to the International Canoe Federation. (No ISAF here this class is adminstered by the canoeists because it has existed since before ISAF or IYRU)
There seems to be some problem getting an email, phone or skype meeting of the committeee and also some reluctance for a 100% agreement, so the tension builds and those of us with boats or intending to build new ones, hang in the balance and steam in frustration.
I think it might be a language thing. All of the enthusiasm, forum debate, and building has been in the english speeking countries and those without english as their dominant language seem to have missed out on what has been happening. They do not have the enthusiasm for change.
The Sailing (Dinghy) Anarchy forum thread on Development canoes has topped 12000 hits this year, people are building new boats now (unless they have stopped awaithing a decision). The ball is rolling, but the ball will stop rolling if the sailing committee can not agree 100%. The new bubble of enthusiasm will burst, and I fear the whole IC class and its history might collapse with it.
I have threatened to burn the Log, but an alternative might be to cut enough off the length and sail to make a nice gentle moth for my daughter Kate who has again shown some interest in sailing. At least it will be easier to store.
But before implimentation it requires also a 100% vote form the Association's Sailing Committee, then submission to the International Canoe Federation. (No ISAF here this class is adminstered by the canoeists because it has existed since before ISAF or IYRU)
There seems to be some problem getting an email, phone or skype meeting of the committeee and also some reluctance for a 100% agreement, so the tension builds and those of us with boats or intending to build new ones, hang in the balance and steam in frustration.
I think it might be a language thing. All of the enthusiasm, forum debate, and building has been in the english speeking countries and those without english as their dominant language seem to have missed out on what has been happening. They do not have the enthusiasm for change.
The Sailing (Dinghy) Anarchy forum thread on Development canoes has topped 12000 hits this year, people are building new boats now (unless they have stopped awaithing a decision). The ball is rolling, but the ball will stop rolling if the sailing committee can not agree 100%. The new bubble of enthusiasm will burst, and I fear the whole IC class and its history might collapse with it.
I have threatened to burn the Log, but an alternative might be to cut enough off the length and sail to make a nice gentle moth for my daughter Kate who has again shown some interest in sailing. At least it will be easier to store.
Thursday, February 28, 2008
Here are some photos of the 1/4 scale model of Log Mk2 which I am building for Bill's tow tank.
This is the ply seamed together but still spread out flat, Bow this end.
And this is it 5 minutes later with bow folded together and taped and a single tie amidships to pull the gunwales into design width.
Thursday, February 14, 2008
The voting by the world's Canoe sailors is in progress. The only results I have heard so far is that 100% of the Aust and NZ vote has been positive for the DC rule to replace the Nethercott one design rule. We are a minor part of the canoe world, and although we expect the US to be similarly enthusiastic, it is the big numbers in the UK which hold the key to change. We will find out in just a few weeks when the numbers are tallied.
But the enthusiasm from most of the canoe contacts is a bit contageous. There is a healthy discussion on Sailing Anarchy about DC design and Steve Clark in US is building some 1/4 scale models by the HL method for tank testing. I will endeavour to send a HL model over to be included.
And this enthusiasm is getting me in the mood to build a new canoe. I have decided that remodelling the Log for sloop rig, moving mast, fin case, seat rails and lowering the freeboard all add up to more work that starting from scratch. So I am again looking at selling it off to someone keen to try canoe sailing.
$5500 will take it off my hands and give you a fantastic ride. It has some development left in it and I am sure a younger person can get more from it than I could. Any Takers?
More info and contact on http://www.intcanoe.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=711
But the enthusiasm from most of the canoe contacts is a bit contageous. There is a healthy discussion on Sailing Anarchy about DC design and Steve Clark in US is building some 1/4 scale models by the HL method for tank testing. I will endeavour to send a HL model over to be included.
And this enthusiasm is getting me in the mood to build a new canoe. I have decided that remodelling the Log for sloop rig, moving mast, fin case, seat rails and lowering the freeboard all add up to more work that starting from scratch. So I am again looking at selling it off to someone keen to try canoe sailing.
$5500 will take it off my hands and give you a fantastic ride. It has some development left in it and I am sure a younger person can get more from it than I could. Any Takers?
More info and contact on http://www.intcanoe.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=711
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
Canoes vote for development + Future of the Hollow Log?
The details are almost complete for the canoe sailors of the world to vote shortly on whether the development rules will replace the one design (Nethercott hull) rules for future international competition.
The DC fleet at McCrae made a good impression apparently and there seems to be a stong momentum to pass the proposal.
But the UK is the strongest canoe country and they have a big fleet of spinnaker AC canoe people, who, while not treally affected by the outcome, may not necessarily endorse it. I hope they see the lighter narrower boats as a good move for canoe sailing which they may choose to follow later if they so decide.
Results should be available by about Easter.
Meanwhile no action on the Log. I will sort out something for the winter when it is much more attractive to sail than getting chest deep in water for Moth foiling. Plans are to fit some diamonds to the mast and see what the extra side ways stiffness does for windward performance. If that looks promising then to satisfy the class safety rules I need to get rid of the pocket luff so the sail can be lowered past the diamonds. This will be the time to extend the sail to the deck, gaining the missing 0.6sq m and improving aspect ratio, probably with some luff curve adjustments to suit.
Hayden has promised to come over to the coast for some competition so I should get a pretty good benchmark.
If I can not make that work the next step is to forsake the simplicity of the unstayed cat rig and follow the herd to a sloop rig. I have had some discussion with Clive from CST about his new NS14 masts (100mm wide wing mast) and I think this would make an excellent DC rig. And the sail makers would have a better chance of matching the mast bend.
But to fit the stayed sloop I will need to make major changes to the hull, move mast and fin case, widen deck at chainplates, and while I am at it, lengthen the seat tracks forward and lower the deck line aft. A major job which I would rather not do on this boat, when it would be simper to start with a new one.
So if anyone has an interest in buying the Hollow Log please get in touch. phil at moth dot asn dot au will get me.
Some photos fro McCrae are on the Aust IC web site.
The DC fleet at McCrae made a good impression apparently and there seems to be a stong momentum to pass the proposal.
But the UK is the strongest canoe country and they have a big fleet of spinnaker AC canoe people, who, while not treally affected by the outcome, may not necessarily endorse it. I hope they see the lighter narrower boats as a good move for canoe sailing which they may choose to follow later if they so decide.
Results should be available by about Easter.
Meanwhile no action on the Log. I will sort out something for the winter when it is much more attractive to sail than getting chest deep in water for Moth foiling. Plans are to fit some diamonds to the mast and see what the extra side ways stiffness does for windward performance. If that looks promising then to satisfy the class safety rules I need to get rid of the pocket luff so the sail can be lowered past the diamonds. This will be the time to extend the sail to the deck, gaining the missing 0.6sq m and improving aspect ratio, probably with some luff curve adjustments to suit.
Hayden has promised to come over to the coast for some competition so I should get a pretty good benchmark.
If I can not make that work the next step is to forsake the simplicity of the unstayed cat rig and follow the herd to a sloop rig. I have had some discussion with Clive from CST about his new NS14 masts (100mm wide wing mast) and I think this would make an excellent DC rig. And the sail makers would have a better chance of matching the mast bend.
But to fit the stayed sloop I will need to make major changes to the hull, move mast and fin case, widen deck at chainplates, and while I am at it, lengthen the seat tracks forward and lower the deck line aft. A major job which I would rather not do on this boat, when it would be simper to start with a new one.
So if anyone has an interest in buying the Hollow Log please get in touch. phil at moth dot asn dot au will get me.
Some photos fro McCrae are on the Aust IC web site.
Sunday, January 13, 2008
McCrae Worlds
Back home at last after two weeks of sailing and a slow tourist trip home.
It was a good regatta with a lot of good friendships, good organisation and nice atmosphere. Winds were not always co-operative but the RC did very well.
The Hollow Log did well. As pre-empted upwind speed was not up to par, but I had a lot of fun passing boats downwind. I feel it was probbaly the fasted non spinnacker boat downhill out of the three fleets.
Streatching my memory the racing went something like this:
Preworlds with ICs, DCs, and ACs all in together. Mostly light winds. Fastest boat was Chris Maas but both Hayden (IC) and Steve (DC) won races. I lead one race which was canned whenthe wind departed. I do not remember the spinacker boats winning any races. The posted results are distorted by the failure of quite a few people to sign on. Steve won the series by always being up front.
We had only one work in 15kts and Steve won that race from Chris and I, after separating from the fleet in the earlier drift.
A few started the last race in about 30kts. I made the first tack with out a swim but was heading home when the RC called it off, All rescue boats were busy collecting disabled canoes downwind. Results are on http://www.regattamanager.com.au/icpreworlds/Results/Progress.html
My best result was the invitation with a 2nd in a light to moderate easterly.
For the start of the WC proper we had a nice southerly and I sneaked a 4th after battling Allister and Phil for a lap. Then the next race in similar winds the seat split and I struggled to shore. I repared it on the lay day but missed the consequential damage to the carrage. Next race was sailed hiking only part way out so as to make the distance, after which I rushed ashore for some quick epoxy repaires, Autoclaved in inside the Honda parked in the hot sun. Missed one race but made the third of the day.
The wind was back to the east like the preworlds where we had moderate easterlies which heavily favoured the right side near the beach. It often became a procession with no passing lanes upwind and I suffered badly. But this race Oliver and Allister decided they were behind enough to risk the left and passed 4 of us. Frustration
Next day was a big Northerly so no racing but it left a big chop for the following day which combined with a fading North Easterly made upwind difficult for me and downwind exciting as I surfed past many boats, sometimes with the sail flapping. Gybing became easy. Then the wind died completely and all racing was cancelled. With multiple heats on the last day we waited patiently all day for a big southerly to die, which never happened, so it was all over and I had two drops in a one drop series.
Results : http://www.regattamanager.com.au/icworlds/Results/Progress.html
8th of 13 was not as good as I hoped but the Log at least showed some signs of speed downwind. There were a lot of good boats and good sailors. Everyone else used familar and proven rigs and seat arangements. My boat wa sthe most original because I had no prehistory in the class and not many local Aust canoes to learn from.
It was probbaly not as bad as the scores show. We had several races where the top 6 boats would exchange places on almost every leg, I seemed to go from 2nd to 6th and back again often. If the races had finished downwind I would have been several places better off, but that is not how canoe racing works.
I will pack it up now and sail some moth races again. I have kept some notes on what I would like to chnage on both this boat or a later replacement. It is stil available for $6000 if someone wants an exciting drive.
I think the hull shape is good, but the unstayed rig might be suspect as it bends more as you go out on the seat. Diamonds are an option. I think the single sail has more left to develop. I want to explore this avenue before going to a sloop.
Well done Christian and Nichole for orgaisation, to McCrae for hospitality and great race management, to all the overseas canoe visitors for coming, to all the DC designers, builders and sailors for like minded company.
There is continuing discussion on DCs on both Saiing Anarchy and the IC forum:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=65915
http://www.intcanoe.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=732
It was a good regatta with a lot of good friendships, good organisation and nice atmosphere. Winds were not always co-operative but the RC did very well.
The Hollow Log did well. As pre-empted upwind speed was not up to par, but I had a lot of fun passing boats downwind. I feel it was probbaly the fasted non spinnacker boat downhill out of the three fleets.
Streatching my memory the racing went something like this:
Preworlds with ICs, DCs, and ACs all in together. Mostly light winds. Fastest boat was Chris Maas but both Hayden (IC) and Steve (DC) won races. I lead one race which was canned whenthe wind departed. I do not remember the spinacker boats winning any races. The posted results are distorted by the failure of quite a few people to sign on. Steve won the series by always being up front.
We had only one work in 15kts and Steve won that race from Chris and I, after separating from the fleet in the earlier drift.
A few started the last race in about 30kts. I made the first tack with out a swim but was heading home when the RC called it off, All rescue boats were busy collecting disabled canoes downwind. Results are on http://www.regattamanager.com.au/icpreworlds/Results/Progress.html
My best result was the invitation with a 2nd in a light to moderate easterly.
For the start of the WC proper we had a nice southerly and I sneaked a 4th after battling Allister and Phil for a lap. Then the next race in similar winds the seat split and I struggled to shore. I repared it on the lay day but missed the consequential damage to the carrage. Next race was sailed hiking only part way out so as to make the distance, after which I rushed ashore for some quick epoxy repaires, Autoclaved in inside the Honda parked in the hot sun. Missed one race but made the third of the day.
The wind was back to the east like the preworlds where we had moderate easterlies which heavily favoured the right side near the beach. It often became a procession with no passing lanes upwind and I suffered badly. But this race Oliver and Allister decided they were behind enough to risk the left and passed 4 of us. Frustration
Next day was a big Northerly so no racing but it left a big chop for the following day which combined with a fading North Easterly made upwind difficult for me and downwind exciting as I surfed past many boats, sometimes with the sail flapping. Gybing became easy. Then the wind died completely and all racing was cancelled. With multiple heats on the last day we waited patiently all day for a big southerly to die, which never happened, so it was all over and I had two drops in a one drop series.
Results : http://www.regattamanager.com.au/icworlds/Results/Progress.html
8th of 13 was not as good as I hoped but the Log at least showed some signs of speed downwind. There were a lot of good boats and good sailors. Everyone else used familar and proven rigs and seat arangements. My boat wa sthe most original because I had no prehistory in the class and not many local Aust canoes to learn from.
It was probbaly not as bad as the scores show. We had several races where the top 6 boats would exchange places on almost every leg, I seemed to go from 2nd to 6th and back again often. If the races had finished downwind I would have been several places better off, but that is not how canoe racing works.
I will pack it up now and sail some moth races again. I have kept some notes on what I would like to chnage on both this boat or a later replacement. It is stil available for $6000 if someone wants an exciting drive.
I think the hull shape is good, but the unstayed rig might be suspect as it bends more as you go out on the seat. Diamonds are an option. I think the single sail has more left to develop. I want to explore this avenue before going to a sloop.
Well done Christian and Nichole for orgaisation, to McCrae for hospitality and great race management, to all the overseas canoe visitors for coming, to all the DC designers, builders and sailors for like minded company.
There is continuing discussion on DCs on both Saiing Anarchy and the IC forum:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=65915
http://www.intcanoe.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=732
Monday, December 10, 2007
A good day at last. Saturday at StGeorge was a nice 10-15kt southerly. Seth came out to play and the moths were mostly disorganised or absent. Only Grant foiled and sailed away from us as usual.
Seth and I had a good work out. He has a slight edge to windward. I am either improved after some batten work since Hayden beat me upwind convincingly in October, or Hayden has improved since Seth raced him at Easter. Maybe its a bit of both.
My boat is still a lot faster downwind. I can run over Seth and then soak down way below and ahead of him. This was similar to what we found 16 months ago when the Log was new. Maybe its the weight difference, maybe its the narrower beam, maybe its the one big sail. We will find out at McCrae when I race the US DCs with sloop rig.
I got well ahead in the race and after a couple of laps I waited and we started together again. Same scenario, he got an edge at the top and I ran past him. We lined up together for a beam reach and I just managed to get through below him by a few boat lengths.
A good day, made all the tacks and gybes without swimming. Had a couple of lazy dips while trying to run by the lea to miss some traffic. Not taking it serious enough at the time.
Two weeks to go. A couple of solo sailing days practice then the big one.
Seth and I had a good work out. He has a slight edge to windward. I am either improved after some batten work since Hayden beat me upwind convincingly in October, or Hayden has improved since Seth raced him at Easter. Maybe its a bit of both.
My boat is still a lot faster downwind. I can run over Seth and then soak down way below and ahead of him. This was similar to what we found 16 months ago when the Log was new. Maybe its the weight difference, maybe its the narrower beam, maybe its the one big sail. We will find out at McCrae when I race the US DCs with sloop rig.
I got well ahead in the race and after a couple of laps I waited and we started together again. Same scenario, he got an edge at the top and I ran past him. We lined up together for a beam reach and I just managed to get through below him by a few boat lengths.
A good day, made all the tacks and gybes without swimming. Had a couple of lazy dips while trying to run by the lea to miss some traffic. Not taking it serious enough at the time.
Two weeks to go. A couple of solo sailing days practice then the big one.
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